I miss my friends...
Since Dave was my biggest link with the rest of the guys I usually hang out with, his alienation of me has meant I am alienated from the whole group. The thing that sucks more is that I know Dave, and I know he can hold a grudge for the rest of his life. He will not come to me and apologize even if everything in the universe pointed to him being wrong about what happened.
Dave has been having a hard time lately. One of our other friends stole a girl from him that he was interested in. They hang out ALL THE TIME NOW, and are really blissfully ignorantly happy all the time. I think it has been eating away at Dave the entire time and he's just way oversensitive about anything involving girls. Also, a couple of his ex-girlfriends got married and that has added pressure to his world of girls.
Well, what can I do? I am still almost in awe that he acted the way he did, because I've never seen him be like that. If I go and ask him for forgiveness, it would be like someone in Salem admitting they are a witch. I would be admitting to something I never did, just to save our relationship. Do I stand up for my principles and simply do nothing, or do I conceed and let him believe a lie?
I guess he is going to believe whatever he wants anyway, and he isn't the type to change his mind once he has come up with a grudge to hold. I could go tell him I'm sorry for whatever it is he believes I did, and he would say "Oh, don't worry about it, man," but we would never be friends again. He would act cool around me but it wouldn't be the same. That's just the way he is. I saw him and heard stories about him doing to people what he is doing to me now. His life consists of systematic alienation of anyone who he percieves to have been offensive to him. He complains that he has no really close friends, but every time someone starts becoming a close friend he cuts them off.
So I open up to anyone's suggestions.


Me, being the stupid nice
Me, being the stupid nice person I am, care way too much about people. Therefore, I would go to him and try and make things right. Although you didn't do anything, that's what I would do, just cause I care about the people in my life enough that I can swallow my pride and be mature about it to try and save a friendship. I hate contention more than anything, but sometimes I wish I could be stronger and not let people walk all over me.
Do what you feel is right.
But don't forget who's important...
You.
:)
I'd have to say i somewhat
I'd have to say i somewhat agree with brit, especially because you feel alientated now because of what happened (or didnt). Tell him you miss hanging out and that youre sorry for whatever conflict you were having. Maybe bring up the point that he had about not having close friends and say you felt like you guys were getting close and you miss that. I wouldnt let him believe that you agree with him that you did something wrong, but at least tell him youre sorry for all the mess and that you want to start hanging out again to see if things will get better. Hey at least you will be able to start hanging out with the rest of the crew more, right?
well I guess it partly
well I guess it partly depends on what he is accusing you of. Certain things you shouldn't take the blame for. If there is any way to explain to him what really happened without yelling then try to do that. Honestly though, if you patch things up with lies I don't think it will help for long.
Story in a nutshell: I had
Story in a nutshell:
I had had a crappy week two sundays ago. I went home sunday night and decided to stay home and go to bed early. Every sunday is make cookies/play poker/halo night over at Jeremy's. Dave called me about 10 times and I kept telling him I wasn't really feeling well and I wasn't going to come over. THis other girl called me a few times, and Jeremy kept calling me - all of them telling me to come over.
Finally I gave up and went over. No big deal, right? Well Dave had invited a girl from my ward that I introduced him to. So when I got there I found a corner to sit in, and she moved her friends so that she could sit by me and talk to me. I didn't even really pay attention to her, I just sat there for a while and then I left.
Next day I get a text from Dave "Don't ever pull that shit you pulled last night again." To which I was greatly confused. I asked him what he was talking about and he said I was stupid if I didn't know. I told him again to tell me and he said that me trying to save face was really insulting to him. I told him I still didn't understand (using stronger language) and he said something about how I had come over because I was angry that he invited this girl from my ward and that he had to ignore her all night to keep me happy.
It's true that I was pissed that night, but it had nothing to do with Dave or some girl or anyone else for that matter. So I told him I thought he was confused, and he told me he didn't want to be my friend anymore.
So I did nothing except come over after repeated requests from multiple parties to do so, and he turned it into something else.
he also said I was mad
he also said I was mad because he invited over a girl that I so obviously liked. This statement didn't make sense to me because if he thought I liked her so much, then why would he invite her over? The fact is that I don't care about any of it either way - but I do care that Dave would act like that over some insignificant girl - especially since he had the impression that I liked her already.
yeah that's messed up. If
yeah that's messed up. If you can tell him that you just came over because people wouldn't leave you alone then do that, but if you can't without yelling at him after he blows up at you then don't. Because he will most likely blow up at you and it won't help at all.
Then, after you explain things and hold your tongue when he yells at you, give him a few days to stop being a baby. But if he doesn't stop being a baby by then, then there probably isn't much chance he'll ever stop being a baby. But you can always still give him a chance.
Just don't yell at him though, no matter how much you want to, that'll just fuel the babyness. Keep the thoughts of kicking him in the nuts to yourself, and force yourself to try to be nice about it. If you change your thoughts too it makes it a little easier to be nice, but that's a little more difficult, and may force you to start wearing diapers. That's the best way to throw him into a guilt trip. Be nice. Seriously, it works. I have a specific example, but I don't want to go through the whole story. Let's just say that not only was poo turned into sunday dinner, but it was turned into thanksgiving and Christmas dinner put together.
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